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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 8:18:42 GMT -5
Just an idea  : It just crossed my mind after reading some threads how thiefs are using creator's meshes and claim as their own  . So I was wondering how could this be might a litte bit better preventended? I mean there are many simmers who are might simply too young or can't/don't know how to work with Blender & Co. Yet many wish to create something with Photoshop, Paint.net, Gimp & Co. and simply place it and reupload and share.  I thought to myself if creators want to prevent stealing :roach , wouldn't it be might hepful if creators provide some basic shapes (other than those which can be used by EA) as a freebie? I bet many creators have meshes in store they don't use themself because they don't like the shape or aren't happy with the outcome of their own mesh and they are somewhere hidden on their pc's : worldwide. Yet those could be treasures  to those who can't create meshes. Wouldn't it be simply amazing to have a space where simmers can pick up the mesh - recolor and give this mesh their own design and upload? :jumpHug Conditions could/should be - Without Credit* (Totally free to use this Mesh / Or you can give credit to creator (that would be nice)
- Naming the source where they got the mesh from e.g. Freebie Mesh from XY (Creator's Name) on sims4studio.com (that would be perfect to spread the news that something like this does exist)
- Mesh can be adjusted / edited and re-used (This could be helpful to those who just start to use blender)
- Mesh can be included (not just recolour)
*I wrote earlier credit must be given (but this happens already) so I corrected myself after the feedback.
Overall what I'm saying is actually creating a space where other simmers :grouphug are allowed to use and edit meshes of creators where they don't care what happens with those they provided as a freebie. I made a poll because I seriously would love to know how many simmers would find this idea may helpful and wouldn't it be great to have such a space? Poll ends on 31. January 2017. Please participate and let others see what you think about such an idea. Wouldn't it be an awesome idea? + it would make the simuniverse lesser angry about thiefs  because as a creator you could refer to a thief they should use the Freebie Meshes which are exactly for this purpose available for those who can't create their own stuff. Right? I would also inititate to ask our simcommunity sites like simsvip and simscommunity.com etc. to spread the news that something like this exists here within the community and I bet many would love to have that opportunity and it would be the quickest way to spread the news. Where else but here would this make sense, right? If simmers download here the S4S Studio and they can find here free given meshes from creators and meshes from retired simmers. Feedback & Ideas very welcome  Update:Of course many creator do allow already to recolor but in this case the condition make the difference that you can include the mesh as Clown Confetti just said it would be kind of "public license". This make sense especially if you recolor and the creator shuts their site down, which means the mesh is no more availbe but the recolor still is. Mesh is gone for goood! This would also make sense if the creator don't want to be a part of the simcommunity anymore but instead tossing their creations they could release them for free in this section before they leave us! Suggestions by Creators/Simmer (I will update here your suggestions and ideas)- Free textures could also be provided in this section as Clown Confetti suggestet, nice idea too - When a creator retires from the sims community, they can leave their meshes "for free" here as a "Public Licence" - To categorize all meshes would be of course might helpful for CAS / Build / and Objects 
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Post by Clown Confetti on Dec 16, 2016 8:36:40 GMT -5
I think it's a nice idea to make more resources for newbies, but, many creators already allow their meshes to be recoloured. For people who can't create meshes (yet), allowing them to use a freebie mesh is the same thing as them recolouring an object that allows recolours, which they can do anytime. I think there's also a post somewhere here on the forum with a list of creators who allow their meshes to be recoloured? (Maybe an outdated post, though, something that could be improved if there was a specific section for this. :-))
But I suppose you mean in the "conditions" part; the difference here would be to make a section for meshes released with a "public domain" license (free for usage without credit, and free to be edited -- I know there's another similar license too but I forget -- Creative Commons maybe?). I think this might be a good idea, and not only for meshes. A general "public domain resources" section that could also include free textures and other resources, and perhaps links to other places online where you can find free-to-use resources (such as Textures.com). So all in all, I think you have a good idea :-D But it might have use for being narrowed down to specific licenses.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 8:42:12 GMT -5
Clown Confetti yep exactly that would be the difference. Kind of public license :D It is one thing to recolor but you can't include the mesh! Especially in some cases the original creator shut their simblr site down, and you still have your recolors up but the mesh is gone for good. Actually this item cannnot be used any more and this is sad in some cases.
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Post by Clown Confetti on Dec 16, 2016 8:49:39 GMT -5
Clown Confetti yep exactly that would be the difference. Kind of public license :D It is one thing to recolor but you can't include the mesh! Especially in some cases the original creator shut their simblr site down, and you still have your recolors up but the mesh is gone for good. Actually this item cannnot be used any more and this is sad in some cases. Well, there are some creators who do allow the mesh to be included (me for example, and I write it clearly in my ToU). But again, I agree it might help to have a section specifically about this where you can also have updated lists about creators who allow recolours and/or mesh inclusion and mesh edits. :-) Yeah, it's definitely sad how some creators' work disappear over time. |
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Post by Clown Confetti on Dec 16, 2016 8:51:12 GMT -5
Also, I would definitely contribute public domain meshes if we did start such a section on the forum! Just simple stuff but still. (It'd be like an extension of the "Studio recolourables" that are already in the program, I guess?)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 8:55:18 GMT -5
Also, I would definitely contribute public domain meshes if we did start such a section on the forum! Just simple stuff but still. (It'd be like an extension of the "Studio recolourables" that are already in the program, I guess?) Yes - see that's what I wanted to bring up Awesome & that would be totally cool :D |
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Post by anska on Dec 17, 2016 6:43:23 GMT -5
Without wanting to be the spoilsport, but if you wish people to provide meshes for something which essentially are Studio Recolourables - why don't you simply ask for more people to provide Studio Recolourables? ^^ Afterall, the recolourables are comfortably included in studio already. They could however, really need a little more advertisement.
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Post by Clown Confetti on Dec 17, 2016 7:37:29 GMT -5
Without wanting to be the spoilsport, but if you wish people to provide meshes for something which essentially are Studio Recolourables - why don't you simply ask for more people to provide Studio Recolourables? ^^ Afterall, the recolourables are comfortably included in studio already. They could however, really need a little more advertisement. I thought this too, but at the same time, if more people started providing "completely free" meshes it might be an unnecessary amount of work to continously be adding them into the S4S install (and people could instead download just the ones they want off of the "free resources" forum section). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 7:56:49 GMT -5
Without wanting to be the spoilsport, but if you wish people to provide meshes for something which essentially are Studio Recolourables - why don't you simply ask for more people to provide Studio Recolourables? ^^ Afterall, the recolourables are comfortably included in studio already. They could however, really need a little more advertisement. Thank you for your feedback. It's not just studio recolourables (also editing meshes for beginners etc.) as I wrote it's about providing a bunch of sets of other meshes beside the EA ones which can be freely used without the worry that a creator might disagree, make sad etc. I wonder why not making a use of stuff creators have but don't use? Sure they are free if they want to provide meshes extra for this purpose, which would be very welcome of course . If you ask me I do see a benefit in that, because many TOU say: - don't reupload - don't change my mesh in any shape - don't include my mesh - link to my site etc. Don't get me wrong in any shape - I do totally understand that creators want to protect their creative hard work with hours, sometimes days involved. I totally respect, love and appreciate their amazing work   As I said it's a suggestion to provide a free resource section which can be free used in any shape. Of course there are many creator's who have a very friendly TOU (Terms of Use), yet to find those can be very time consuming. It was an idea how to improve and prevent better stealing, also why not make a use of retired simmers if they would have a space to drop their meshes for free before they decide to leave the community? I have seen some other game platforms already provide within their community also for their games kind of free resoureces without giving credit, that's why I thought why not ask our community to istall such space? Which make sense but I guess that's how I think. |
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Post by anska on Dec 17, 2016 8:52:22 GMT -5
Thing is, what you are saying is basically that if there was more free x people would steal less x, which colours stealing as a neccesity. The poor new creator who is not yet very good has no other choice but to resort to taking things in order to create - and thus the thief becomes the victim. (I am exaggerating of course, but you get the picture.) While this might hold true for really essential things like food and shelter, I don't think this in any way true for custom content. Why? Simply because there already are plenty of people who allow you to do what you like with their things. There are plenty of other who, while generally having the above mentioned tou, will make exceptions if you simply ask for them. So, if there are plenty of resources someone could use free of trouble, why do they still choose to snatch the meshes they really really want but can't have without violating someone's tou? And asking further: Will they stop if there are even more free meshes which might not be their top choice?
I might be an old Cassandra, but I don't think the keys to the stealing problem are more free meshes, but a better understanding to copyright terms, less greed and a generally greater respect for your fellow members of the community. - Also I don't see the problem in giving credit. If someone made something which you like so much, you whish to modify it, isn't it the least you can do to say thanks? There are chapters for this in books and a whole score-track worth of it in movies, a simple line on one's website shouldn't be too much to ask for.
And to not sound too negative: Adding maybe links to those simmers who provide also free meshes to the list of those people who allow recolours, is a nice thought. If it doesn't help against the stealing, it would still help when searching things. =)
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Post by orangemittens on Dec 17, 2016 9:34:42 GMT -5
Hi all, we have a thread where creators should feel free to post if they allow recolors/remeshing. I've fallen very behind on keeping it updated (I apologize, but RL has been keeping me busy). That thread is HERE. I see no reason people shouldn't feel free to put direct links to where they've posted things for sharing in that thread, although then we get into the issue of broken links when someone loses interest in hosting that free material. Creators should also feel welcome to PM me if they have an idea for a mapped and templated mesh they would like to have included in the Studio Recolorables. One caveat to that is that the poly count must be within acceptable limits (reasonable for the game) because it will get shipped with Studio. Especially now that Harmony's size has been reduced, though, there is space there for more Recolorables. Currently, I think we have a couple paintings, a rug, and a basic cube object. I suppose if there was a large number of people interested in "donating" meshes that were either not basic enough to fit the Recolorables category or the number of Recolorables grew too large, we could host a special section of Recolorables on the forum instead. I think, though, that we're a ways away from that eventuality. |
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Post by anska on Dec 18, 2016 16:51:44 GMT -5
orangemittens since the topic has come up: How do I create a studio recolourable? An acceptable poly count aside, do they have to be set up in a specific way or are you looking for special types of objects?
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Post by Clown Confetti on Dec 18, 2016 17:42:39 GMT -5
orangemittens since the topic has come up: How do I create a studio recolourable? An acceptable poly count aside, do they have to be set up in a specific way or are you looking for special types of objects? I wonder the same things, it will be good to know. (This is the part of @suelady 's proposal that I found useful, for the sake of not having any "approval" mesh limits / waiting time to submitting new Studio recolourables, just sharing free meshes and other resources in a forum section -- but that could still be done in just a thread, etc!) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 20:03:11 GMT -5
Hi all, we have a thread where creators should feel free to post if they allow recolors/remeshing. I've fallen very behind on keeping it updated (I apologize, but RL has been keeping me busy). That thread is HERE. I see no reason people shouldn't feel free to put direct links to where they've posted things for sharing in that thread, although then we get into the issue of broken links when someone loses interest in hosting that free material. Creators should also feel welcome to PM me if they have an idea for a mapped and templated mesh they would like to have included in the Studio Recolorables. One caveat to that is that the poly count must be within acceptable limits (reasonable for the game) because it will get shipped with Studio. Especially now that Harmony's size has been reduced, though, there is space there for more Recolorables. Currently, I think we have a couple paintings, a rug, and a basic cube object. I suppose if there was a large number of people interested in "donating" meshes that were either not basic enough to fit the Recolorables category or the number of Recolorables grew too large, we could host a special section of Recolorables on the forum instead. I think, though, that we're a ways away from that eventuality. Yeah I've seen that section but the downside of this section is we have still to look up each creators TOU which actually means you have to search tons's of hours still to find those meshes where you are free to include meshes (especially if they dissapear, they aren't usable). That's why I thought to have a section where creators can post (at least) may themself at links to their free meshes and I don't mean just to recolor as mentioned above (I can imagine it would cost to store and we would need supporters). To baad, well I guess it was a nice thought |
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to those who can't create meshes. Wouldn't it be simply amazing to have a space where simmers can pick up the mesh - recolor and give this mesh their own design and upload? :jumpHug 
because as a creator you could refer to a thief they should use the Freebie Meshes which are exactly for this purpose available for those who can't create their own stuff. Right? I would also inititate to ask our simcommunity sites like simsvip and simscommunity.com etc. to spread the news that something like this exists here within the community and I bet many would love to have that opportunity and it would be the quickest way to spread the news.
